Legislature(1995 - 1996)

04/27/1995 02:05 PM House HES

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 HB 244 - PATERNITY; CHILD SUPPORT ENFORCEMENT                               
                                                                               
 Number 1216                                                                   
                                                                               
 MS. STRAUBE testified that right now, there are new federal                   
 guidelines that require that 75 percent of all child support orders           
 be established within six months.  In order to establish child                
 support orders, paternity must be established.  "Paternity," she              
 said, "is taking an eternity."                                                
                                                                               
 CO-CHAIR BUNDE commented that he thought it only took nine months.            
                                                                               
 MS. STRAUBE said the bad news is, that despite all the work done by           
 the CSED, the CSED then has to give their work to the courts who              
 more or less "rubber stamp it."  That is because the CSED uses the            
 court's standards to determine paternity.  Sometimes the case sits            
 on the court's docket for six months. Therefore, with the files               
 just sitting in the courts for six months waiting for signature, it           
 is already clear the CSED cannot make the time constraints, because           
 it only has six months to do all their work.                                  
                                                                               
 MS. STRAUBE said that is why the CSED is very concerned about this            
 issue.  The CSED could shave six months off the process if it were            
 able to administratively establish the process.  The CSED already             
 uses the court standards as set forth in AS 25.20.050.  Those                 
 standards are basically either a voluntary acknowledgement, or the            
 genetic test shows that the likelihood of a person being the father           
 is 95 percent or more.                                                        
                                                                               
 REPRESENTATIVE ROBINSON re-joined the meeting at 3:12 p.m.                    
                                                                               
 MS. STRAUBE noted that due process would be assured so the decision           
 would be open to judicial review.  The CSED thinks it is a good               
 investment for a yearly general fund investment of $72,700.  For              
 that amount, the CSED can bring in $850,000 per year in its share             
 of AFDC reimbursements.  It makes sense, therefore, for the state,            
 for the children, and to the federal government.  The federal                 
 government is moving in that direction.  In fact, part of the GOP             
 Contract with America stated it wanted to see more states doing               
 administrative processes and cutting down the time, instead of                
 having to go to the courts for everything.                                    
                                                                               
 Number 1344                                                                   
                                                                               
 CO-CHAIR TOOHEY asked who would comprise the "tribunal" as referred           
 to in the bill.                                                               
                                                                               
 MS. STRAUBE said the definition given on page 2, lines 18 through             
 20 of the bill, is that a tribunal means "a court, administrative             
 agency, or quasi-judicial entity authorized by law to determine               
 parentage."                                                                   
                                                                               
 CO-CHAIR TOOHEY asked to back track.  A bill was presented to the             
 HESS Committee members last year by Representative Bettye Davis               
 that tried to establish paternity at birth in the hospitals.  She             
 asked if that legislation has had any impact at all.                          
                                                                               
 MS. STRAUBE said the hospitals were kind of already doing that.               
 The bill simply made it more likely that the hospitals would do it.           
 It has been more successful.  The state cannot force anyone to sign           
 anything, but, Representative Bettye Davis's bill made it more                
 likely as the father would be feeling joyous about the event.                 
                                                                               
 MS. STRAUBE said that legislation is working, but there is no                 
 similarity between those bills.  The bills do not replace each                
 other.                                                                        
                                                                               
 Number 1422                                                                   
                                                                               
 CO-CHAIR TOOHEY asked what percentage of children born have a                 
 mother that refuses to name the father.                                       
                                                                               
 MS. STRAUBE said she could not answer that sufficiently.  She said            
 she can tell Co-Chair Toohey how many cases there are in which the            
 parentage is unknown.  Whether the mother refuses to name the                 
 father or they don't know, the division does not know the                     
 difference.  Out of about 3,200 paternity establishment in progress           
 cases, 639 are unnamed fathers.  About 2,600 fathers have been                
 named.                                                                        
                                                                               
 CO-CHAIR BUNDE assumed there are mechanisms to encourage mothers              
 who do know the names of their child(ren)'s father to divulge that            
 information.                                                                  
                                                                               
 MS. STRAUBE answered that this is not part of her division's job.             
 However, she does know that Public Assistance has the right to deny           
 public assistance to those who do not have a very good reason for             
 not naming the father.  The CSED does believe, however, that there            
 are those who really do not know the names of the father.                     
                                                                               
 CO-CHAIR BUNDE disagreed with her first comment.  He said finding             
 out paternity certainly is a job of the CSED.                                 
                                                                               
 MS. STRAUBE corrected her former statement by saying that the CSED            
 cannot enforce any punitive measures.  Only the Department of                 
 Health and Social Services can enforce punitive measures.                     
                                                                               
 Number 1498                                                                   
                                                                               
 CO-CHAIR TOOHEY asked if there was any way of forcing DNA testing             
 on a group of, say, three people for a child of an unknown father.            
                                                                               
 MS. STRAUBE said if a person does not agree to blood testing, the             
 CSED can default that person as the father of the child.  The                 
 individual is always free to take the blood test and disprove that            
 paternity.                                                                    
                                                                               
 Number 1558                                                                   
                                                                               
 CO-CHAIR TOOHEY asked how often that default paternity is evoked.             
                                                                               
 MS. STRAUBE said that provision is evoked regularly.  It is the               
 procedure of the CSED that if the proposed father will not                    
 cooperate, he is defaulted.  It then takes a long time, but if the            
 paternity is defaulted, the court has to agree to the default, then           
 the order is placed for income withholding, and eventually the                
 child support is hopefully gleaned.                                           
                                                                               
 CO-CHAIR TOOHEY asked if automatic DNA tests are done if the man              
 admits that he might be the father.  She also asked who does the              
 testing.                                                                      
                                                                               
 MS. STRAUBE said there was contention in that issue.  If AFDC is              
 being received, DNA testing is automatically performed.  The CSED             
 pays for that testing.  If the case is not AFDC, the CSED does not            
 pay for the test.  However, those provisions are being studied                
 anew.                                                                         
                                                                               
 Number 1584                                                                   
                                                                               
 CO-CHAIR BUNDE asked Ms. Straube to speak to the fiscal note on HB
 244.                                                                          
                                                                               
 MS. STRAUBE said in a full year, the majority of funds are either             
 federal receipts matching, or they are federal incentives.  The               
 CSED did put down a general fund match of $72,700 in the funding              
 source for 1997.  She used the example of FY 97 because it is a               
 full year and may be easier to see the figures.                               
                                                                               
 MS. STRAUBE said the important thing to remember is that, if one              
 looks at the change in revenues, the bill is bringing in $850,000             
 to the state coffers.  The gains far outweigh any expense to the              
 state.                                                                        
                                                                               
 REPRESENTATIVE AL VEZEY joined the meeting at 3:22 p.m.                       
                                                                               
 SHANNON O'FALLON, Assistant Attorney General, Human Service                   
 Section, Department of Law (DOL), said her area of work focuses on            
 Child Support Enforcement.  If a man has been named in a paternity            
 complaint and the man refuses to be blood tested, one of the things           
 the department can do is go to the court and ask for sanctions.               
 One of the sanctions requested is that the man is defaulted on                
 paternity.  The court fairly routinely grants that default as long            
 as the DOL shows that the man is willfully refusing to test.                  
                                                                               
 MS. O'FALLON said it must be shown that an appointment has been               
 repeatedly set up for them, and they never show up.  With default,            
 the court adjudicates the individual the father of the child                  
 without blood testing.                                                        
                                                                               
 MS. STRAUBE said the state cannot test anyone without cooperation.            
                                                                               
 Number 1691                                                                   
                                                                               
 MS. O'FALLON wanted to also note that if a man is excluded through            
 blood testing, he does not pay for blood testing costs.  If the               
 case is not under AFDC, and the man is found to be the father                 
 through the genetic test, the man then pays the blood test costs.             
                                                                               
 CO-CHAIR BUNDE said his question about the fiscal note was not to             
 indicate anxiety.  He simply wanted the fiscal note explained for             
 the edification of the committee, and to put into the record that             
 Ms. Straube anticipates this bill will generate money for the                 
 general fund.                                                                 
                                                                               
 Number 1723                                                                   
                                                                               
 REPRESENTATIVE ROKEBERG asked if the 3,200 figure mentioned for the           
 paternity establishment in progress cases was a per year figure.              
                                                                               
 MS. STRAUBE answered that was the total number of pending cases               
 right now.  Those cases involve trying to get affidavits signed by            
 the mother, or trying to get cases signed by the court.  Ms.                  
 Straube said she did not know how many new cases the division gets            
 a year.  However, 3,200 is a huge backlog, and the CSED is working            
 very hard to close that backlog.  Everything that can be done is              
 being attempted.                                                              
                                                                               
 MS. STRAUBE said the CSED is doing some collocating with Public               
 Assistance to try and shorten the time period, it is asking for HB
 244, it is working with the DOL to shorten the time period, and               
 administrative changes are taking place to take care of that                  
 terrible backlog.  There are far too many people wondering who the            
 father is in their particular case.                                           
                                                                               
 CO-CHAIR TOOHEY closed public testimony and asked for the wish of             
 the committee.                                                                
                                                                               
 CO-CHAIR BUNDE moved HB 244 with accompanying "money-making" fiscal           
 note and individual recommendations.  There were no objections and            
 the bill was moved.                                                           
                                                                               

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